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SlabsRN
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Robbie, I think you misunderstood my remark. Zippah, I understand your point about PGX. I thought they only did comics myself. But the note, envelope, sketch and signature are authentic. This is how the "class act" I was referrring to [Schulz, not anyone else] conducted himself, even at the height of his career. |
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oldmilwaukee6er
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Did he sit around and sign every note that went out, or did he have a secretary that helped him and perhaps could replicate his signature very convincingly?
Moreover, the sketch on the outside of the envelope is troubling. Why would Schulz make a sketch on the OUTSIDE of an envelope he was dropping in the mail? Wouldn't it make much more sense that he would have made the sketch on the letter itself? |
Studying the sketch and the letter vs my Complete PEANUTS (Fantagraphics)... I opine the sketch is authentic and the signature on the letter is not. The signature looks most certainly secretarial. Look at the curls, the "z"...appears a consistently different style.
As an am. cartoonist, it doesn't really follow that he would sketch on the letter-- sketching on letters is alot of fun (see also Wizard mail art). |
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oldmilwaukee6er
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| BUT, if I was a forger and wanted to try to add a sketch, I'd be much more willing to risk doing it on the envelope. |
This is a good point and you do collect signatures... |
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awe4one
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Red Hook
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Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 110 Location: That place in your skull that itches
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Daniel, you've now moved undeniably into the same league as Ewert. Shame on you.
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Davenport
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Oxbladder
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Can't wait for the song and dance on this one.
I have no trust in either CGC or PGX. I know you may disagree with that point rh but really how can I trust either.
Both these companies are dirty and need more cleaning up then they know how to do.
Just imo
(Now I know I won't put part of my prize winning to use) _________________ My little site:
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Lazyboy
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Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 26 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: PGX Has Gone Insane |
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| Daniel @ PGX wrote: |
| We have excellent restoration skills and grade everyone's books the same. I am 100% postive we will never have a Ewert scandal to deal with. |
P.S. Hi Aaron  _________________ -Paul, a.k.a. the guy who liked the Clone Saga (well, most of it anyway) |
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Oxbladder
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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I was just going to quote that myself Lazyboy
Famous last words if I ever heard them. _________________ My little site:
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darthdiesel
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Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 40 Location: Centreville, VA
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: PGX Has Gone Insane |
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| Daniel @ PGX wrote: |
I am 100% postive we will never have a Ewert scandal to deal with.
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Daniel @ PGX
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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We are looking into this situation. In regards to the change in grade, the book was resubmitted and received a higher grade the 2nd time. The serial number remained the same. _________________
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Oxbladder
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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And you weren't at all suspicious that something out of the ordinary could account for a jump. I understand that with changing grading scales over time standards could change/slip but knowing how devious some people are I would really question changes such as this.
CGC fail(s) to ask this question and went on trusting their submittors and Steve got hoodwinked by a person he trusted and called a friend. _________________ My little site:
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Red Hook
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Daniel @ PGX wrote: |
We are looking into this situation. In regards to the change in grade, the book was resubmitted and received a higher grade the 2nd time. The serial number remained the same. |
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flyingdonut
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Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 48 Location: Northern Virginia
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Red Hook wrote: |
| Daniel @ PGX wrote: |
We are looking into this situation. In regards to the change in grade, the book was resubmitted and received a higher grade the 2nd time. The serial number remained the same. |
bull****. |
I'm just not going ever to buy anything from Oregon again. |
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comicdonna
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Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 27
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: PGX Has Gone Insane |
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| Daniel @ PGX wrote: |
| Zipper68 wrote: |
What in heaven's name are they thinking?
PGX has slabbed and authenticated a Charles M Schulz signed letter and sketch?
How do they know the sketch is authentic and how do they know the signature isn't secretarial? Since when have they been autograph experts and document examiners?
PGX just loves flirting with disaster.
Incidentally, this is being sold by ma4pres who is thought by many to be Terence Leder. Of course, he has his usual inventory of PGX slabs replete with numerous 9.9s. Many of these books are recent. Has the ban been lifted? |
Ah, more concerns.
1st, the sketch and signature are not noted as authentic, though we authenticated the signature to our satisfaction but could still not note it on the label. I have no doubt this would be found authentic by a signature professional.
We will be making some adjustments to the census. We have only graded 1 Giant-Size X-Men #1 9.9 and only 3 Giant-Size X-Men #1 9.8's. Also, the Four Color #178 10.0's and 9.9's are the stamp book, not the original book from the 40's.
I took a look at the thread on the CGC board and might as well address that as well.
Terence Leder does not submit books to us.
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BTW, check out all the PGX 9.9s from this seller.
What are the odds of one seller having that many 9.9s EVER... let alone at one time? |
Very good. We have a good handful of customers that consistently get 9.9's. We have customers that get several+ 9.9's a month and don't even live in Oregon. Wow! Is it being suggested that these books are being overgraded? There is absolutely no truth to that at all if that what is being said between the lines of this post.
I know most of the Oregon seller that use us and this person is not Leder. I took a look at that list of auctions and see nothing suspicious at all. Could he be submitting books through someone else? Sure, and if he is I really don't care. We have excellent restoration skills and grade everyone's books the same. I am 100% postive we will never have a Ewert scandal to deal with.
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| Three GSXM 1 9.9 on the PGX census.. One on Ebay now for $25,000.00 Buy it, Leder releases another and all of the sudden your book is worth $5,000 or $6,000 less... Wont ever sell because the one's that have the money, know who has the book and wouldnt deal with him... |
Like I said there is only one 9.9 GS X-Men #1, just an error in the census.
And remembering back when Leder was selling books I spoke with several of the biggest people in the industry that dealt with him on a regular basis and all of them were happy with their dealings with him.
You are welcome to believe what you will. I am sure someone with take what I have said here and spin it to create a new conspiracy hypothesis.
Almost everytime when someone new asks about us on the CGC board there is always someone there to say we can't detect restoration yet not a single book has been brought forward in the last 2 years where we have missed restoration. Oh, except for one book where someone intentionally replaced one staple for no reason other than to slip it past us. |
I want to view the census. could someone provide me a link or give exact instructions? |
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iron maniac
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Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 4022 Location: Grosse Pointe Woods, Michigan
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: PGX Has Gone Insane |
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| comicdonna wrote: |
| I want to view the census. could someone provide me a link or give exact instructions? |
http://www.pgxcomics.com/census.html _________________
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Daniel @ PGX
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Joined: 20 Dec 2004 Posts: 231
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: PGX Has Gone Insane |
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Let me sum up our postition:
We will investigate this book. If this book was trimmed we will 1st look at our detection abilities with these type of books. These books are quite different than regular comics. Is there a concern there? If there is we will find the best solution.
Do we need to ban someone else? At this point I would think not although if someone is consistently 'intentionally' trying to slip restored books past us it would be a consideration to ban them rather than to worry that eventually a restored book could slip by.
If someone has concerns about any book or any other concerns please email us with your concerns. I don't read these boards much and do not read the CGC boards. One reason is its just not worth it. When someone comes forward with possibly a legitimate concern a dozen other people go off the deep end with random garbage. With so many people posting so much garbage I think legitimate concerns get lost.
We will continue to grade each book accurately and do a restoration check on every book. When we are contacted about concerns we will look into them and take any appropriate action, no matter what the concern is. _________________
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awe4one
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: PGX Has Gone Insane |
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| Daniel @ PGX wrote: |
Let me sum up our postition:
We will investigate this book. If this book was trimmed we will 1st look at our detection abilities with these type of books. These books are quite different than regular comics. Is there a concern there? If there is we will find the best solution.
Do we need to ban someone else? At this point I would think not although if someone is consistently 'intentionally' trying to slip restored books past us it would be a consideration to ban them rather than to worry that eventually a restored book could slip by.
If someone has concerns about any book or any other concerns please email us with your concerns. I don't read these boards much and do not read the CGC boards. One reason is its just not worth it. When someone comes forward with possibly a legitimate concern a dozen other people go off the deep end with random garbage. With so many people posting so much garbage I think legitimate concerns get lost.
We will continue to grade each book accurately and do a restoration check on every book. When we are contacted about concerns we will look into them and take any appropriate action, no matter what the concern is. |
Sorry Daniel...this is just more of the same rhetoric from your end. It's clear Ma4Pres is TD despite your denials. It's clear he gets preferencial treatment by you. You pleading ignorance lost validity after the scan manipulation of grading dates fiasco almost two years ago and has entirely lost any semblance of credibility now.
Whether you like it or not...it appears you and TD are joined at the hip. And you have nothing but yourself to blame by treating the issue as insignificant despite repeated attempts by me and others to try to make you see the light. You have ignored these interventions and now it very clear to everyone why...
Jim _________________ www.awe4one.com -Updated - Hopefully Very Very Soon!
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Crom
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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I joined this forum just to take Daniel up on his request that we ask him directly, although I thought it more fitting to do it here than by email.
Daniel, I do have one question about this controversial guy that you definitely CAN answer right away because it's not an issue of investigation or whatever:
How is it that this person is able to submit books and have them graded, slabbed, and returned to them near-instantly while others wait through the 17 day turnaround? (He, like TL before him, is able to wait for the mail to arrive to recieve books from other eBayers, send them to you, have them graded, have the books returned to them, and start auctions on them--all in less than a week from the time the auction ENDED in which this person won the books in the first place. This suggests that they get near-instant service when they send their books to you)
Incidntally, whether or not this person is TL, the exact same question applies to either one: BOTH of these customers seem to have the inside track to getting their high-grade, usually-Disney books graded and returned to them in the blink of an eye. Since that is remarkably uncharacteristic of PGX's services to anyone else, I thought you could tell us what magic trick they use to acquire this kind of service. |
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slym2none
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I know there is the fact that real answers to real questions CAN get lost in some rhetoric and "diving in the deep-end," but there is SO much here that screams "LOOK AT ME, HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS" that is I'm going deaf.
I will admit this - I have made my opinion before, I don't believe in grading a book unless you are going to sell it, that's the only reason IMO. And I do know that this seems (note the word) to not be a problem with modern comics, but I have a couple of recent-enough books that, at the right time, I was going to have graded and then put up on eBay. At first, CGC seemed the logical solution, but then I caught onto a few things and a few websites, and changed my mind and said in my head, I'll give PGX the business. Now, they are just going to go up raw. If I can't put my utmost faith into a service, I just won't use it, and none of the so-called comic book "grading companies" have anywhere NEAR even a smidgen of my faith.
-slym (not finishing his pre-Unity Rai CGC 9.6 run) _________________ No signature required. |
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